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Кто и как на этом зарабатывает
Дорогие форумчане, решила открыть эту тему, т.к. на сегодняшний день в Одессе появилось много подобных агенств....я сама немного "варюсь" в этой теме...Приглашаю всех к обсуждению! Полагаю, вам есть чем поделиться!
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Сообщение от Alexandr
Последний раз редактировалось audit_n; 01.12.2013 в 16:27.
В продолжение разговора о "хороших" мальчиках и "плохих" девочках. Опять же из мужского форума. Один дятел, простите по другому его не назову, дает полную контактную информацию девушки из Запорожья и пишет следующее: "I met this woman in Ukraine through another dating service, invited her to Canada spent huge money getting
her a visa, had to Send a letter to Canada embassy in Kiev advising them Olga lied on Application. When in Canada
She had problems she said with her haert. I think she has heart bith defect. Also claimed when she got back to Ukraine she claimed to have heart attack. I sent this letter to Embassy, so is highly doubtful she will get
another visa. Also 1500 dollars of my money disapeared, that I had sent to her, that she recieved so I can not
dismiss the fact she has well thought out scam. also if heart problem is real this could end up causing huge
finacial problems for some one if she is in another country. I am asking sites to remove her. there is a big problem with this one"
После того как один человек на форуме сказал, что ему вообще стыдно за весь мужской род из-за него он добавил: " I will try again had problems with pass word, I would say yes, is still not in proportion for you to see. Yes you seem to ask fair questions. I have only listed 2 problems,I am finishing documents for scam
sites. during my relationship with woman I had kept in close contact with site I had met her, I have enccountered many hurdles so to speek.Since communication broke down Olga and Anna Gaidash her friend have been removed from their sites. Anna is seperate story. I do not get any enjoyment out of doing this, I would rather diiscuss this with Olga however communication has ended. I have recieved no answers from Olga only more questions. I will try to sum up your question. Oh by the way( what makes you say we only met once).Money
was loan of 1000 Olga had asked this was not my suggestion, rest is money given for english lesson and so forth, that did not ring up right when totalling account. I had covered all travel and extras for trip 1000 was needed for customs and visa, Olga asked to hold this in a account which would be returned either at decline of visa or coming to Canada.Yes I took a chance. I was planning to give Olga 1000 after she arrived in Canada. I asked her how much was left she said she had borrowed 500 from Anna and 150 was left of mine. I am aware of cost in Ukraine she had no explination for this money. These are the types of hurdles I had to deal with, This is the largest most obveous. Most of others were small enough to question, but not big enough to sting. As I said there is much more. I do this to warn the next guy. As comunication broke down letters got more defensive with no answers. Olgas last letter stated she was filing for immigration status to Canada. A 8 day trip a expired visiters visa
Plus the fact I had to send info of her heart problem to Embassy. I'm sure she got little resistance to that request. Visitor visa is hard to get for Canada not imposable. I do this also to warn and help people who are actually sencere in this type of venture. I am sure some are very sencere. I am not going to get ito details about heart. I have very little doubt this is not real. Can you imagine costs, one would entail, if this happened in there country, when you have invited some one to your country, on a visa.YOU ARE A 100% LIABLE.
yes insurance has to be taken out. I found out it is up to you to fight with ins co. not hospital. If Olga would like to offer up, her side I would listen I am not afraid to say I am wrong, I have been around long enough to learn some things,I do not hide from things, Sometimes getting out of bed in morning is a adventure. And there are risks. I appriatate honesty and the willingness to face things, not deception, We all as you say have (fucked up a time or two in our life). The important part is to learn and understand. I have gotten know answers from Olga only many questions. I have had to find my own answers. Many agree with me. As it stands right now I will leave this here, I will continue to send out letters and reports"
У этой истории есть продолжение в виде показаний переводчицы, которая переводила для них: "whom it may concern,
Dear sir/madam
I, Inga Hanson of Fort Nelson BC Canada, would like to describe a relationship between Olga Esperova and Steve Clark from what I witnessed.
Some time at the beginning of July 2011 a lady from Fort Nelson asked me to help her neighbour to communicate on the phone with a Russian lady from Ukraine that he met online. I agreed, so I gave her my number. A couple days later a man called me, introduced himself as Steve Clark and we set a date for a phone call. When we met in person he told me his story how he went to Ukraine to see a few girls he met online. He
showed me some of the pictures of him with those ladies. He said they were all nice ladies and they'd all be happy to have him, but he chose Olga because he could feel this great connection between them. So he said they applied for a visitation visa for Olga in order to show her some places in Canada, show her his home and if she will like it here in the fall he was planning to go back to Ukraine to meet Olga's parents and propose to her. At that point they were really concentrated on getting a visa so that what the conversations on the phone were mostly about. Steve knew how poor Olga was so he said he'd cover all the expenses: paperwork, summer camp for her daughter, English lessons for Olga, trips to Kiev etc. But every time she needed money for this purpose it was a challenge for her to get it but every time she spent any of his money she sent him all the receipts. Steve was pretty impressed of her honesty but still did not trust her. Once Olga asked me to translate that she was upset that Steve called her English teacher to make sure she really does take lessons even though he sent him receipts from school. He woke up the teacher with his call at a very early hour and she was not very happy with Olga and asked her to avoid involving her in her personal life. Surprisingly soon Olga got an invitation for a visa interview and Steve had a hard time to understand how come she has to be there for an interview in person . Iif that could be done over the phone it could save him some money. So Olga told him it was not her choice to make but a request from Embassy that she could not do anything about. So he gave her barely enough money for the trip, the interview went successful and she got a visa. With the visa came more requests. During one of our calls Olga asked me to ask Steve about a checklist of things Embassy requested for her to have. She said she sent Steve this list and under a paragraph 3 she had to have at list $ 1000 cash in order to enter Canada. Olga did not have the money. Steve already had the list for a few days but he ignored the money problem like if he'd wait a bit longer it would go away. So when I asked him about it for Olga he exclaimed: “More money?!!!" even though he knew she needs it. That he started making up stories how hard it is to send money through Western Union and that he has to send $35 at a time otherwise they rip you off etc. But Olga explained to him that she is going to return this full amount to him as soon as she is in Canada. So Steve made sure they orange that it was possible to do so and then he finely sent it. When time came to send Olga's daughter to camp and buy a train ticket for Olga and again the same problem. He told her to pay for everything from $1000 he gave her and he'd replace it just before she leaves. This way he'd send the exact amount and make sure he does not overspend.
Finally that part was over and Olga came to Canada. On August 10 Steve and his daughter met Olga at the airport in Calgary; they traveled in Alberta for a couple of days and as soon as they got to Fort Nelson in the evening of august 14 they stopped by and Steve introduced us. I noticed Olga had only sandals on and the temperature outside was only + 8 C. She said her feet were freezing all 4 days because she forgot her runners and she was telling Steve she needs to by shoes. She pointed at her practically bare feet ,said : "Cold" but Steve said: "no-no it's Okay" and refused to take her to the store. Then I told him he needs to take her to the store and get at list a chip pair of shoes, that she can't have bare feet for the rest of her stay. But the next day when they arrived at my house for a dinner she still had same sandals on.
Anyway we were having a dinner and they were telling me about their trip. Olga was impressed by Steve’s daughter that she seemed to get along with just great ;they had a few laphs together. Steve was absolutely thrilled by Olga's sense of humor. Everything was fine until Steve said he'd like to discuss the details of the wedding. He got me to ask Olga what date in October she'd like to get married, what kind and how big she wanted a wedding and how much it's going to approximately cost. And Olga was surprised by these questions. She was not ready for that. She said that every time Steve insisted to get married in October she answered that it was too early to set any dates yet and certainly not that close. She said she liked Steve very much and she appreciates his effort to show her how beautiful Canada is but she needed to spend more time with Steve together before she is able to make such a decision. She said she did not feel like they were on a level of relationship were people get married. When I translated it to Steve he got very mad. He started screaming at me: “What are you talking about?!!! I am not proposing to her now! That step has already been done back in Ukraine and she accepted! That is done. The only reason I paid for her to come to Canada is because she accepted my proposal! What I am asking her now is to set the date and give the amount of cost for a wedding!” When I told that to Olga she got very nerves and scared. So she told Steve that she feels like she is pushed into a corner and has to say Okay just because he did no"
интересная история. А ссылку форума не подскажете?
Кинула в личку. А теперь представьте себе, что эта девушка ославлена на всех скамерских сайтах, в связи с тем, что он поразмещал ее на всех этих сайтах, он понаходил ее на всех брачных сайтах и требовал ее удаления ссылаясь на то, что она во всех скам-листах, куда он же ее и разместил. Плюс он подал заявление в посольство в связи с чем она теперь "не выездная". Конечно мы точно не знаем была она скамером или нет, или так сказать частично. Но возмущает другое, что говоря о том, что он разместил ее на всех этих сайтах и написал все эти кляузы в посольство, он ссылался не столько на то, что она его "развела" на деньги, сколько на то, что у нее проблемы с сердцем и он хочет сделать благое дело и предупредить всех мужчин, чтобы они не вляпывались в эти проблемы с ней. Говорит о том, что в Украине она легко может достать себе лекарства, а где вы будете их искать за границей. В общем он как бы своими действиями спасает весь мужской заграничный род от украинской девушки с больным сердцем.
так зачисления на анастисии вроде поступают как только мужчину написал что то в чате? в смысле он написал первую фразу и у него снмиается за одну минуту сразу не так?
Obrik, а подскажите, пожалуйста, ссылку на ресурс. интересно что за девушка с ЗП
больной какойто впрочем они там все такие
Да, зачисления идут, как только мужчина написал, а девушка ответила. У нас так, по крайней мере.
Кто рано встает... тот мало зарабатывает ;)
Да-да, это возмущает сильно. Особенно в tour support и звонки. Ни "здравствуйте", ни "до свидания", ни "пожалуйста". Так еще и с ошибками. Кроме этих двух отделов, остальные общаются культурно. А, еще одна девочка по поводу звонка писала, так мне аж приятно стало) Представилась, поздоровалась, попрощалась. Я думаю, что некоторым стоит поучиться)
Кто рано встает... тот мало зарабатывает ;)
Я поняла. Просто поиском новых переводчиков, общением с клиентками, встречами, доставкой подарков, регистрацией профайлов занимаюсь сама, много времени не занимает. На фотосессии тоже хожу. Поэтому не вижу смысла в администраторе. Спасибо за разъяснение. Тогда Вам остается только ставку делать.
Кто рано встает... тот мало зарабатывает ;)
Если анкета будет вовремя удалена с сайта, а переписка со всеми клиентами тактично завершена, то на каждую претензию агентству будет что ответить.
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Я уже выше писала, что один администратор у меня на ставке, а второй пока на ставке, но думаю не эффективнее ли будет дать ставку плюс процент. Поэтому и интересуюсь как коллеги решают подобные задачи. А как у вас?
Светлана, вы знаете, к сожалению, я не настолько уверена, что подобное цитирование не приведет к осложнениям моего "партнерства" с вашим сайтом. Я полагала, вам и самой известен стиль общения если не всех, то многих ваших сотрудников, хотелось понять, это политика компании или набирая сотрудников руководство компании не обращает внимания на такие мелочи как грамотность и умение вежливо вести переписку. Если вы искренне - вот честно-честно - полагаете, что это я здесь пишу голословно или на основании одного-двух случаев и нет за вашими сотрудниками такого греха, я умолкаю.
У нас много общения с представителями Наташи, так как агентство не маленькое и чего разбирать, естественно, хватает. Соответственно, я много времени провожу отвечая на письма и читая ответы. И да, мне кажется, то банальная вежливость (спасибо, ИЗВИНИТЕ - за собственные нередкие промахи в работе) а также общий тон переписки играют здесь большую роль. Читать же тексты с банальными граматическими ошибками просто неприятно, не согласны?
Видимо, в наше время это уже ценится только такими ретроградами как я. (((
Мужчина более близкий по духу встретился на том же сайте, девушка удаляться не хочет, так как на все 100 процентов не может быть так сразу уверена в нем.
USSR у меня, вопросы напишите в личку, если хотите
Я с ВамиАбсолютно того же мнения.
Кто рано встает... тот мало зарабатывает ;)
А можно и мне ссылку?
Ну, если Вы так боитесь, что Вас за цитирование письма покарает наша компания, то назовите имена и фамилии тех сотрудников, к которым имеете подобные претензии.
Мои обязанности в этой компании не подразумевают переписку со всеми сотрудниками этой компании, потому я просто не могу знать про каждого кто как и что именно пишет...
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Эту ситуацию можно корректно объяснить всем остальным клиентам, с которыми у дамы есть переписка, а анкету нужно тогда перевести в статус "невидима".
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